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Gene Bellinger
CrbnBlu@aol.com

WORK PROCESS ELIST What is work? How can it be described effectively? What theoretical models are appropriate to it? How do we improve personal work processes? To what degree should human work processes be controled by organizations and what degree should organizations facilitate them? What are the ...

I was putzing around the other day and came up with a Drifting Goals Archetype associated with the acceptance of System Dyanamics I thought rather interesting (yes I know Im rather biased). If you care to take a look, its at: http://www.radix.net/~crbnblu/systems/arch/archdg.html#ex03 Comments welco...

I caught Khalids post Mon. afternoon regarding the call for papers for SDR 14(1) and a couple thoughts came to mind. 1. What portion of the SDR subscribers belong to the SD list? [Hosts Note probably about 30-40% but that is a real rough guess] 2. What portion of the SD community has access to the N...

This is sort of a follow-on to my last message on generic structures and is the result of a massive headache the whole question has given me for the past 12 hrs. I have gotten to a point of asking, "Is it possible to develop a tight method by which Systems Thinking Diagrams (or CLDs) can be rel...

After reading the generic structure article by Lane and Smart in the latest issue of System Dynamics Review I went back and tinkered with some of the archetypes I initially created in ithink. I have found that the connection between an Archetypal Structure and its implementation can be so loose as t...

Matt, Althought I dont have a direct answer to your question I would offer that Jeffrey Goldsteins "The Unshackled Organization: Facing the Challenge of Unpredictability Through Spontaneous Reorganization" may have some most noteworth perspectives. Productivity Press 1994, ISBN 1-56327-048...

irt: Date: wstephen@erols.com (Stephen Wehrenberg), Sat, Jun 22, 1996 5:25 AM EST In response to "We choose what we believe and then we believe what we choose." you commented, "The circle of inference, eh? Senge likes to depict it as a ladder, but its clearly a circle." Ive been ...

irt: PKucera@aol.com, Thu, Jun 20, 1996 10:46 PM EST

Paul,

I hear you, I understand, and I agree.

And I would ask, "How would you go about proving that your perspective is
incorrect? Have you tried?"

Gene...
CrbnBlu@aol.com

Stephen, I rather figured I was about to "step in it" big time with this one and thought it would be rather interesting to read the responses that resulted. My response is mostly: "We choose what we believe and then we believe what we choose." We repeatedly do ourselves a disserv...

The following is a thought to share for you comment. Over the past two weeks Ive been working the Vensim PLE and in the process something quite unexpected has developed. In constructing models I almost always create ST diagrams as sort of a road map as to just what the model is going to be. These ar...

irt: robert_kane@ds.Cubic.COM (Robert M. Kane), Wed, May 22, 1996 2:57 PM irt: wstephen@erols.com (Stephen Wehrenberg), Wed, May 22, 1996 2:57 PM EST I found Bobs comment most meaninfgul, especially the part about "Sustained Converstation." The only one who fails to understand system dynam...

Just thought Id ask about whether is it possible to have a system dynamicist that doesnt understand system dynamics? And, if its possible, what are some of the implications? And, if its not possible, why not? Whos qualified to decide? And, how would you know if you completely missed the point, if no...

irt: rglitz@erols.com (Robert J. Glitz), Sun, May 19, 1996 5:35 AM EST Robert commented: "... Id hate to see the list volume return to its level of a couple months ago -> near zero." And I would say this is rather unlikely to happen. In fact, Ill ensure it if necessary for the traffic over...

Ed, Sorry about the delayed response. Its been one of those days! I appreciate your comments on the SUN idea. And yes I think it appropriate not to worry about credits and grants at the moment. At this point Im collecting bits and pieces of information which we can evaluate later. I fully realize th...

irt: rbates@erols.com (Richard Bates), Tue, May 7, 1996 5:36 PM EST I want to thank **** for his interest and support of the SUN (Systems University on the Net) concept. I have received a number of similar messages in the past few days. His additioin of the monitoring & participating in listserv...

irt: simul@simul.recom.edu.ar (Ing. Fabian H. Szulanski ), Tue, May 7, 1996 5:36 PM EST Fabian commented about the potential utility of a CD based knowledge base system with multiple levels of self-learning modes as a vehicle for promoting the awareness and use of SD. I think I would agree with all ...

irt: p.atkins@unsw.EDU.AU (Paul Atkins), Tue, May 7, 1996 5:54 AM EST Paul asks if there are stages one goes through in developing expertise in the SD arena. And I guess I want to say yes, and then I guess Im supposed to tell what they are --- and this is the hard part. I think my understanding has ...

irt: dave_patterson@MENTORG.COM (Dave Patterson), Mon, May 6, 1996 1:38 PM EST In an off the list communication Dave indicated that it might make more sense to refer to this University concept in a fashion other than something that looked like US Net for obvious reason. I think some of my history cr...

irt: billh@lsid.hp.com (Bill Harris), Sat, May 4, 1996 4:23 AM EST Bill makes a good comment: The next step seems to be to do more models and find out what works and what doesnt. Some of that is somewhat obvious, but some begs for feedback from others. Suggestions? Did anybody even consider the poss...

irt: gallaher@teleport.com (Ed Gallaher), Fri, May 3, 1996 5:32 PM EST Ed commented: So we need to produce more examples of solutions to their recognized problems, and lay the technique in their laps. Which made a couple more connections: Does this aid or hinder the situation? I endeavor not to solv...

As sort of a general thought on the state and pace of SD acceptance, isnt SD just on the down side of a "Success to the Successful" Archetype? As Brian Arthur stated it in economics terems, "He who has gets." And, its not SD that is successful, in the largest percentage. It will ...

irt: Scholl_Greg@bah.com (Scholl Greg), Fri, May 3, 1996 5:24 PM EST Greg commented: >The solution to the challenges that the field faces is not to put our heads >in the sand or pretend they dont exist.... I would say what we need is what I repeatedly relay to people as being "The Southwest Air...

irt: rgill@metz.une.edu.au (Roderic Gill), Fri, May 3, 1996 5:46 AM EST I almost didnt respond to this message and then after the thought cooked a bit I really began to appreciate Roderics cynicism, a few synapses fired and heres what emerged. Isnt one of the first principles of systems, "Dont ...

I have a set of demo archetype web pages that could really use some examples. http://www.radix.net/~crbnblu/concepts.html Without the examples the pages dont have nearly the meaningfulness they could have. So heres the request. Anyone that would like to send me one ore more sample archetypes I will ...