Reply to: Differential equations (SD0918)
>Have the creators of Road Maps considered offering an electronic course.
The suggestion of an electronic course based on present and future "Road
Maps" is an interesting idea.
Being able to do so would depend on financial support, which would need to
come in two stages:
1. At the present time we are not adequately funded to be sure that the
Road Maps work can continue at the level that it should. Does anyone have
suggestions?
2. There would need to be additional long-term funding to make any kind of
electronic course practical. Do we get general financial support, or
charge enough "tuition" to make it possible? Would there be people who
would want guided and monitored study if they had to pay for it?
Jay W. Forrester
Professor of Management, Emeritus
and Senior Lecturer, Sloan School
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Room E60-389
Cambridge, MA 02139
tel: 617-253-1571
fax: 617-252-1998
email: jforestr@mit.edu
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John Holden
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At 06:09 PM 6/12/97 JF wrote:
>Reply to: Differential equations (SD0918)
>>Have the creators of Road Maps considered offering an electronic course.
>Being able to do so would depend on financial support, which would need to
I am truly excited that my question generated your response. I wish I had
some detailed ideas on how to establish such a course. But Ill give my
thoughts...
On the first point, no, I do not have any specific ideas. My brief
experience in the ST/SD world, however, indicates a growing market and
interests across the globe. Seems that some funding sources might be
interested, particularlly in coupled with the hard-look being made at many
universities for innovative ways to meet the changing demand for higher
education in the face of shrinking budgets.... Im thinking of some kind of
partnerships that might, for example, permit students to enroll or get
course credit at their existing institution.
On the second point, I would allude to the end of my first comment and add
that, I would not suggest that this course become an "executive-level"
course (like the ones offered for hundreds of dollars). For myself, as a
graduate student and fully employed worker, I would be willing to pay for
the course a rate similar or slightly above my existing tuition/credit fees
with the expectation that my course "certificate" would distiguish me apart
from others in the "field."
Perhaps a tiered tuition structure for two different levels of the course
might be offered. It has been a while since I last worked throught Road
Maps, but it seems that there might be an electronic Road Maps I and Road
Maps II (perhaps I would inlcude the first 3/4 chapters, II the remainder).
Similar to a two-quarter or semester series, the second would build upon the
first. This might permit those interested in the "user" level to complete a
certified training course. Then, those interested in more advanced modeling
could move onto the second level. (the tuition fees could reflect the
differences in audiences and course materials). This reflects some of the
SD-List recent discussion on the varying uses and levels of ST/SD.
There is my two-cents worth. Thank you, again, Professor Forrester (and the
others associated with Road Maps), for your response and consideration of
this idea.
Sincerely,
John,
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>Reply to: Differential equations (SD0918)
>>Have the creators of Road Maps considered offering an electronic course.
>Being able to do so would depend on financial support, which would need to
I am truly excited that my question generated your response. I wish I had
some detailed ideas on how to establish such a course. But Ill give my
thoughts...
On the first point, no, I do not have any specific ideas. My brief
experience in the ST/SD world, however, indicates a growing market and
interests across the globe. Seems that some funding sources might be
interested, particularlly in coupled with the hard-look being made at many
universities for innovative ways to meet the changing demand for higher
education in the face of shrinking budgets.... Im thinking of some kind of
partnerships that might, for example, permit students to enroll or get
course credit at their existing institution.
On the second point, I would allude to the end of my first comment and add
that, I would not suggest that this course become an "executive-level"
course (like the ones offered for hundreds of dollars). For myself, as a
graduate student and fully employed worker, I would be willing to pay for
the course a rate similar or slightly above my existing tuition/credit fees
with the expectation that my course "certificate" would distiguish me apart
from others in the "field."
Perhaps a tiered tuition structure for two different levels of the course
might be offered. It has been a while since I last worked throught Road
Maps, but it seems that there might be an electronic Road Maps I and Road
Maps II (perhaps I would inlcude the first 3/4 chapters, II the remainder).
Similar to a two-quarter or semester series, the second would build upon the
first. This might permit those interested in the "user" level to complete a
certified training course. Then, those interested in more advanced modeling
could move onto the second level. (the tuition fees could reflect the
differences in audiences and course materials). This reflects some of the
SD-List recent discussion on the varying uses and levels of ST/SD.
There is my two-cents worth. Thank you, again, Professor Forrester (and the
others associated with Road Maps), for your response and consideration of
this idea.
Sincerely,
John,
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* John Holden *
* E-MAIL: holden.24@osu.edu *
* PHONE: (614) 292-5545 (day)*
* PHONE: (614) 262-6838 (eve)*
* FAX: (614) 292-0078 *
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"Bob Payne"
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Dr. Forrester, et. al.
> 1. At the present time we are not adequately funded to be sure that the
> Road Maps work can continue at the level that it should. Does anyone have
> suggestions?
It seems to me that corporate partnerships/sponsorships could be
developed. Several firms have made substantial investments in SD models
and would be supportive of, not only the roadmaps, but an electronic course
to build-up their community of SD practitioners. A course constructed
under your oversight of MIT students would be a very attractive alternative
to the relatively limited SD educational opportunities available.
I teach online courses with the University of Phoenix in Operations
Management and Strategy Formulation and Implementation. It is a very
stimulating and educational environment. One that I believe will soon
transform corporate training/education as firms better understand how they
can leverage their investment in Intranet systems. The costs saved by
reducing training-related travel expenses and time away from the office is
huge! In addition, a well designed online course provides a terrific
forum in which participants apply the course material to current examples
at their own companies. This sort of interaction is very tough to beat.
I would be happy and honored to share some more ideas or information on
developing an online SD course if there is further interest.
Bob Payne
Project Engineer,
MASD, Northrop Grumman Corp.
bpayne@ptw.com
> 1. At the present time we are not adequately funded to be sure that the
> Road Maps work can continue at the level that it should. Does anyone have
> suggestions?
It seems to me that corporate partnerships/sponsorships could be
developed. Several firms have made substantial investments in SD models
and would be supportive of, not only the roadmaps, but an electronic course
to build-up their community of SD practitioners. A course constructed
under your oversight of MIT students would be a very attractive alternative
to the relatively limited SD educational opportunities available.
I teach online courses with the University of Phoenix in Operations
Management and Strategy Formulation and Implementation. It is a very
stimulating and educational environment. One that I believe will soon
transform corporate training/education as firms better understand how they
can leverage their investment in Intranet systems. The costs saved by
reducing training-related travel expenses and time away from the office is
huge! In addition, a well designed online course provides a terrific
forum in which participants apply the course material to current examples
at their own companies. This sort of interaction is very tough to beat.
I would be happy and honored to share some more ideas or information on
developing an online SD course if there is further interest.
Bob Payne
Project Engineer,
MASD, Northrop Grumman Corp.
bpayne@ptw.com
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Bruce Campbell
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Jay W. Forrester wrote:
>
> Reply to: Differential equations (SD0918)
>
> >Have the creators of Road Maps considered offering an electronic course.
>
> 2. There would need to be additional long-term funding to make any kind of
> electronic course practical. Do we get general financial support, or
> charge enough "tuition" to make it possible? Would there be people who
> would want guided and monitored study if they had to pay for it?
Jay,
Im not sure whether the second is a rhetorical question or whether you
want a definitive answer.
For what its worth, I would be interested in such a course (depending on
price) simply because I dont have any alternative other than the
current Road Maps and/or trying to find a suitable text and muddling my
way through it (both of which Im attempting at the moment to try and
get an understanding of SD). We dont all live near an institution which
provides high quality teaching of SD!
I hope this gets off the ground as I think its needed.
Bruce Campbell
From: Bruce Campbell <bcampbel@mpce.mq.edu.au>
Joint Research Centre for Advanced Systems Engineering
Macquarie University
Sydney
Australia.
>
> Reply to: Differential equations (SD0918)
>
> >Have the creators of Road Maps considered offering an electronic course.
>
> 2. There would need to be additional long-term funding to make any kind of
> electronic course practical. Do we get general financial support, or
> charge enough "tuition" to make it possible? Would there be people who
> would want guided and monitored study if they had to pay for it?
Jay,
Im not sure whether the second is a rhetorical question or whether you
want a definitive answer.
For what its worth, I would be interested in such a course (depending on
price) simply because I dont have any alternative other than the
current Road Maps and/or trying to find a suitable text and muddling my
way through it (both of which Im attempting at the moment to try and
get an understanding of SD). We dont all live near an institution which
provides high quality teaching of SD!
I hope this gets off the ground as I think its needed.
Bruce Campbell
From: Bruce Campbell <bcampbel@mpce.mq.edu.au>
Joint Research Centre for Advanced Systems Engineering
Macquarie University
Sydney
Australia.
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"DENNIS T. BENG HUI"
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Jay Forrester,
I would also like to signify my interest in participating in such a
course. Just as what Bruce Campbell has mentioned, it is difficult
for me to get hold to literature involving SD. I am living here in
the Philippines and there are no available institutions who eagerly
teach this course.
I just gather materials from discussion groups and some books which I
use as my reference and try to find my way through. I hope that more
people with signify their interest.
Dennis T. Beng Hui
From: "DENNIS T. BENG HUI" <coedtbh@coelan.dlsu.edu.ph>
Department of Industrial Engineering
De La Salle University
2401 Taft Avenue, Malate
Manila, 1004
Philippines
I would also like to signify my interest in participating in such a
course. Just as what Bruce Campbell has mentioned, it is difficult
for me to get hold to literature involving SD. I am living here in
the Philippines and there are no available institutions who eagerly
teach this course.
I just gather materials from discussion groups and some books which I
use as my reference and try to find my way through. I hope that more
people with signify their interest.
Dennis T. Beng Hui
From: "DENNIS T. BENG HUI" <coedtbh@coelan.dlsu.edu.ph>
Department of Industrial Engineering
De La Salle University
2401 Taft Avenue, Malate
Manila, 1004
Philippines
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Drew Christie
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I am excited to see researchers experienced with online courses showing an
interest in getting a SD course going through MIT. Yes, count me in. Yes, I
would pay.
There are many models for distance learning and MIT currently is no doubt
practicing several of them. Do they have a director of distance learning?
Dennis Meadows is here at the University of New Hampshire and we just might be
able to get him interested in playing a role in organizing and teaching the
course. I know he has a serious interest in distance learning and using the
internet to coordinate learning communities.
A future SD online graduate,
Drew Christie
From: Drew Christie <drewc@hopper.unh.edu>
Philosophy Department
Natural Resources Ph.D. Program
University of New Hampshire
interest in getting a SD course going through MIT. Yes, count me in. Yes, I
would pay.
There are many models for distance learning and MIT currently is no doubt
practicing several of them. Do they have a director of distance learning?
Dennis Meadows is here at the University of New Hampshire and we just might be
able to get him interested in playing a role in organizing and teaching the
course. I know he has a serious interest in distance learning and using the
internet to coordinate learning communities.
A future SD online graduate,
Drew Christie
From: Drew Christie <drewc@hopper.unh.edu>
Philosophy Department
Natural Resources Ph.D. Program
University of New Hampshire
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"Nugent, Michael D"
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If the electronic course could be designed as a stand-alone (no
prerequisities), Id think many Fortune 100 companies would elect to
have their employees learn SD this way versus developing an in-house
course or incurring individual travel costs. Compared to those
corporate investments, what academics might consider "high" tuition
would be viewed as "reasonable." Once your development costs were
recovered, the price could be lowered substantially (placing those who
could not participate in the initial offering now in the stock of
potential students, thereby increasing flow . . . ).
Note standard disclaimer below, however!
Michael D. Nugent, Ph.D.
From: "Nugent, Michael D" <Michael.Nugent@PSS.Boeing.com>
Manager, Planning & Quality
Information & Support Services
The Boeing Company
NOTE: Dr. Nugent is not a spokesperson for The Boeing Company; his views do not
necessarily reflect those held by the company, its shareholders, or its management.
P.S.: May I assume the course would be developed only after
identification via a CLD what the constraints and opportunities are?
prerequisities), Id think many Fortune 100 companies would elect to
have their employees learn SD this way versus developing an in-house
course or incurring individual travel costs. Compared to those
corporate investments, what academics might consider "high" tuition
would be viewed as "reasonable." Once your development costs were
recovered, the price could be lowered substantially (placing those who
could not participate in the initial offering now in the stock of
potential students, thereby increasing flow . . . ).
Note standard disclaimer below, however!
Michael D. Nugent, Ph.D.
From: "Nugent, Michael D" <Michael.Nugent@PSS.Boeing.com>
Manager, Planning & Quality
Information & Support Services
The Boeing Company
NOTE: Dr. Nugent is not a spokesperson for The Boeing Company; his views do not
necessarily reflect those held by the company, its shareholders, or its management.
P.S.: May I assume the course would be developed only after
identification via a CLD what the constraints and opportunities are?