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The Meaning of Holistic

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 1995 5:13 am
by rgill@metz.une.edu.au (Roderic G
Greetings colleagues!

I am working in the areas of resource policy and resource management using
system dynamics as my major approach. I believe others would agree that
system dynamics is much more than a tool. It is a legitimate framework in
its own right. As such, SD touches on many philosophical questions. One
of the most intriguing questions for me at the moment, is trying to come to
terms with the meaning of the words system, and holistic. I have not
really thought much about this in the past. In recent times, though, I
have put some effort into exposing my SD work to colleagues to whom both
the method and philosophy are a bit mysterious. Perhaps surprisingly, my
colleagues seem to be most concerned with the notions underlying the
systems perspective. What does the systems perspective involve and how can
we capture anything like a comprehensive accounting of any systems
components in an abstract SD model? Like most of us, I suspect, one of the
first responses I provide to questioning of this nature is that system
behaviour is described by more than the sum of component behaviours. To
realistically understand, let alone manage, system behaviour, we need a
systems or holistic perspective. SD is an appropriate modelling approach
for developing holistic insights of this nature. I suspect that I am
guilty of downplaying the anxiety that such a justification causes amongst
my non-systems thinking colleagues.

I have often received the comment that the SD and general systems
literatures provide a very superficial treatment of the concepts
underlying the systems perspective. It would seem, for example, that some
would suggest that more is implied by words such as holistic and
systems than is apparent to a non-systems observer familiar only with the
official dictionary meaning of the term.

What does the word holistic mean, or even more importantly, what does it
imply for things like management, policy and research? Is holistic an
acceptable term in the territory of SD? Are holistic and systems
synonymous terms? I have decided to prepare a paper on the subject to
facilitate some debate. I have started with the official definition of the
term: the philosophical theory that wholes (which are more than the mere
sums of their parts) are fundamental aspects of the real. Two related
aspects arise from this definition. First, the notion that whole system
behaviour is explained by more than the sum of the behaviours of its
constituent components and second, that holism is synonymous with the
realistic explanation of a systems behaviour.

I am seeking the input of colleagues on this list to help me out on the
questions I have posed above. I would appreciate any feedback.


regards


Dr Roderic A. Gill
Deputy Director,
Centre for Agricultural and Resource Economics (CARE)
Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics,
University of New England,
Armidale, NSW, Australia
telephone: 067 73 2280, fax: 067 733944, mobile: 015 293 288

"Wisdom is a happy marriage between respect for tradition on the one
hand, and confidence in ones own discernment on the other".

The Meaning of Holistic

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 1995 1:58 pm
by GR383@albnyvms.Bitnet (George Ri
Dr. Gill writes:

>What does the word holistic mean, or even more importantly, what does it
>imply for things like management, policy and research? Is holistic an
>acceptable term in the territory of SD? Are holistic and systems
>synonymous terms?

"Holism" was coined in the 1890s, I think, by Jan Christian Smuts, one time
governor of South Africa who dabbled in philosophy. I cant recall offhand
his definition(s) of the word, but most now take it to identify an effort
to think about a problem not by studying its "parts" separately but rather
by studying the parts as they assemble together to create the whole. In
this sense, I think a "holistic view" is pretty much synonymous with some
interpretations of a "systems view."

Efforts to define "holistic" and "systems" are potentially doomed to
unsatisfying results, a bit like Euclid trying to write definitions of a
"point" or a "line" -- inevitably we create circular definitions. However,
my favorite "definition" comes from Adam Smith: "Systems in many respects
resemble machines. A machine is a little system, created to perform, as
well as to connect together, in reality, those different movements and
effects which the artist has occasion for. A system is an imaginary
machine invented to connect together in the fancy those different movements
and effects which are already in reality performed." I like this
characterization because it says systems are in our heads -- they are the
organizations we make mentally of things we see connected somehow in
reality.

Better than trying to define "system" or "holism," I think, is the effort
to think systemically or holistically. I think we could fall apart trying
to define, when we could actually be quite productive just doing it as best
we can, like Forrester, Checkland, Senge, Sterman, and so on. Like the
bee, they say, whom scholars proved could not fly but cant read so it goes
on flying.

Do we need to do better than "good systems thinking is what good systems
thinkers do"? Cant we just tackle real problems? My father, at the end
of his professional life was a "systems engineer" at Bell Labs. He asked
me more than once: "What is systems engineering anyway, other than just
damn good engineering?"

...GPR



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The Meaning of Holistic

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 1995 8:48 pm
by Drew Christie
I liked what George Richardson wrote about the meaning of holism.
Another, I think compatible view, is to stress tendencies in analysis.
There are many levels of analysis: subatomic particles, atoms, complex
molecules, ... bacteria . . . humans . . . civilizations. Holistic
thinkers on a particular issue (i.e., criminal behavior) tend to look at
interactions at the next higher level of analysis. They look for
patterns, feedback, and emergent phenomena. Atomistic (reductionistic,
Cartesian) thinkers on the issue tend to stress lower level phenomena
(for example, the ever popular search for the criminal gene).

On this view, atomism and holism are relative to the subject being
analyzed. And on many subjects, both approaches are fruitful. Atomic
approaches to cancer focus on cell division and metabolism. Holistic
approaches focus on interactions among social class, occupation,
lifestyle, environment, etc.

Our culture and educational system are slanted towards atomistic
analysis. Atomistic analysis is obviously often fruitful, but we need
more high quality holistic analysis as well.

Instead of defining "holism," I think it is better to characterize
"holistic analysis of a problematic situation."

Drew Christie
drewc@hopper.unh.edu
Philosophy Department
University of New Hampshire

The Meaning of Holistic

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 1995 9:13 am
by "Prof. Khalid Saeed"
In my opinion, system in system dynamics means an abstract set of
relationships existing only to represent a problem behavior aka reference
mode. The term holistic view is an attitude
that must prevail when delineating the reference mode or interpreting the
behavior of the system of relationships built into the model. Refernce
mode is seen as a fabric rather than disjoint collection of time series.
System is seen as an elaboration of an archetypical structure rather than
a collection of disjoint feedbacks.


Khalid Saeed
saeed@ait.ac.th

The Meaning of Holistic

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 1995 10:54 am
by D.C.Lane@lse.ac.uk
In response to Dr Gill on system dynamics, systems theory and holism,
could I suggest that he try George Richardsons book Feedback Thought in
social science and systems theory, a rich description of the points of
engagement between SD and the broader field of systems science.

He might also care to look at:

Lane, D.C. 1994. With A Little Help From Our Friends. System Dynamics
Review 10(2-3). This describes the links between soft OR and SD and
necessarily raises the issue of reductionist vs. holistic thinking.

Lane, D.C. & M.C. Jackson. 1995. Only Connect. Systems Research 12(2)is an
annotated bibliography of the ystems literature, including SD, which he
might find helpful.

Dr. David Lane
Operational Research
LSE