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Stock and Flow Models of Supply and Demand

Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 1:03 pm
by Jim Duggan
Hi,

I'm trying to develop a basic stock and flow
model of supply, demand and price for a commodity.
I've mentioned this to a colleague in our
Economics department, and he advised that
the mathematical basis for such models tend
to be based on sets of simultaneous equations...

Does anyone know of stock and flow
models that address this problem?

regards,
Jim.


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Stock and Flow Models of Supply and Demand

Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:46 pm
by Geoff McDonnell
Try Dennis L Meadows short (100p) book, Dynamics of Commodity Production
Cycles Wright-Allen Press 1970
Library of Congress catalog card number 70-125415 ( I cant find an ISBN)
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Stock and Flow Models of Supply and Demand

Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:06 pm
by John Voyer
What about Dennis Meadows's commodity models from his 1970 book
""Dynamics of Commodity Production Cycles""?



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Stock and Flow Models of Supply and Demand

Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:36 pm
by Jay W. Forrester
The first published system dynamics model of commodity cycles is in:

Meadows, Dennis L., 1970. Dynamics of Commodity Production Cycles.
Waltham, MA: Pegasus Communications. 104 pp.

Libraries may have copies that show earlier publishers.

You will find some twenty references in the System Dynamics
Bibliography, available from the System Dynamics Society, if you
search in Endnote in all fields for ""commodi""


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Stock and Flow Models of Supply and Demand

Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:40 pm
by Forrester, Nathan B.
Jim Duggan,
Many years ago I did a study of supply-demand for durable consumer goods.
The stock-flow structure explains why demand elasticities derived from
simultaneous equation estimation are too high.

Forrester, Nathan B. (1979)
General Examination for Ph.D. Program
MIT D-Memo: D-3156
pages: 43
MIT System Dynamics Group Archive: D-3156.NBF.PhDExam.pdf
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Stock and Flow Models of Supply and Demand

Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 5:13 pm
by Timothy Quinn
Dr. Duggan,

You should get a fair number of responses to your question, because much
work has been done modeling commodity cycles with the System Dynamics
stock-and-flow approach. John Sterman devotes an entire chapter of his book
Business Dynamics (2000, Irwin-McGraw Hill, see Chapter 20) on these
formulations, built upon the work of Dennis Meadows (he modeled livestock).
The references in BD are as follows:

Meadows, DL. (1970) Dynamics of Commodity Production Cycles. Waltham, MA:
Pegasus Communications.
Weymar, H. (1968) Dynamics of the World Cocoa Market. Cambridge, MA: MIT
Press.
Guvenen, O., W. Labys, and J-B Lesourd. (1991) International Commodity
Market Models: Advances in Methodology and Applicatios. London: Chapman and
Hall.

I and many other System Dynamicists find the classic econometrics models of
simultaneous equations problematic, beyond the usual problems of
identification of model parameters. John Sterman provides the following
reasons on p. 798 in BD:

(1) Econometric models do not represent the stock and flow structure of
these markets (inventories, WIP, production capacity).
(2) They are formulated in discrete time, which may lead to spurious
dynamics. The time period is usually dictated by the intervals over which
data are reported.
(3) It is assumed that the commodity can be produced within the chosen time
period (e.g. indicated production in period t-1 is realized in period t).
(4) They do not distinguish between production capacity and capacity
utilization.

To summarize, John states, ""Proper commodity models, like all dynamic
models, should represent the stock and flow structure, time delays, and
behavioral decision processes of the market. The delays should be set to
their actual values, not multiples of some arbitrary time period, and the
models should be formulated in continuous time.""

I hope this helps,
Tim Quinn

System Dynamics Group
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Sloan School of Management

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